Ryanair Going Crazy Again, Leaving Passengers Stranded

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Sunset view looking at a Ryanair winglet over the Canary Islands

Sunset view looking at a Ryanair winglet over the Canary Islands

If you read the blog often you know I have a fascination with Ryanair. Well I think most people who follow the airline industry have a fascination with Ryanair. As American travelers complain about fees, yet still pay them, I think Ryanair might show a glimpse of the future if passengers keep demanding the lowest price possible. Ryanair is known for their cheap prices, tons of fees and a total lack of customer service.

Recently Ryanair showed their customer service skills by stranding passengers at the wrong destination.

Eager passengers were on a flight from the UK to Lanzarote in the Canary Islands when it was diverted to Fuerteventura (about 30 miles away) due to weather. Even though airlines have no legal obligations to pay for costs related to weather, most make accommodations for customers in this situation due to this thing called “customer service.”

Instead, Ryanair booted off the passengers, fueled up and took off, leaving passengers on their own. Since there was no staff at the airport, there was little chance to get help. Of course, they could have tried to fight it out on the phone, but  Ryanair charges by the minute to talk to a customer service representative.

Do I feel bad for these travelers? A little bit, I mean they lost a day of their vacation, had to get a hotel room, but flying on Ryanair is always a gamble. The old saying “you get what you pay for,” is quite accurate with Ryanair.

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Test Shows Delta Flight 253 Could Have Safely Landed Even if Bomb Detonated

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Delta Air Lines Flight 253

Delta Air Lines Flight 253

It was lucky that the bomb didn’t go off on Delta Airlines Flight 253 by the so-called Christmas bomber. However recent research shows that the Airbus A300 with 278 might have been able to land, if the bomb had detonated.

BBC News did some research with a Boeing 747 that showed that flight 253’s  fuselage most likely would not have broken and it should have been able to land safely. The testing shows the bomber, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, and the passenger next to him would have most likely been killed, making it still a very horrific event. The explosion would cause injuries to passengers, smoke and chaos, but the plane would have still been able to land completely intact.

Dr John Wyatt, an international terrorism and explosives adviser to the UN, replicated the conditions on board the Detroit flight on a decommissioned Boeing 747 at an aircraft graveyard in Gloucestershire, England. The amount of explosives found on the bomber would not have been enough to break the skin of the flexible aluminum making up the aircraft’s fuselage. Even though the Boeing 747 was not the aircraft that flew on flight 253, the two planes are made similarly enough to be used in the test.

The researchers couldn’t do into great details of the damages that were caused for security reasons, but their goal is to assure passengers that airlines are safer than most people think. For the tests the plane was not pressurized since flight 253 was at about 10,000 feet and the pressure would have been similar on the inside and outside of the fuselage. The results could be much more different at a higher altitude.

If you live in the UK you can watch the full BBC show, otherwise you can check out a small clip of the show here.

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Fun With Photos: Answers to Southwest Airline’s Hybrid Liveries

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Here are the answers — did you guess right?

Had a lot of great guesses from people on the photo livery quiz. You can see the answers above. Most people made the same mistake I did on the last one. I thought it was USAir, but if you look closely this was a bare-metal plane from American, with Southwest’s livery painted on it. You can read more about these planes and see larger photos on Southwest Airline’s blog.

Winners of being big airline livery nerds:
* TxAgFlyer
* DCSpotter
* Patrick Olave
* Unregistered user #473787 on the Seattle PI

Nice job folks. There were quite a few others that only got one wrong.

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SHORT TAKE: What’s the Difference Between Customs and Immigration

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What is the difference between customs and immigration is a great question. It is also one that a reader asked Steven Frischling over on his blog Flying With Fish.

While many nations have merged Immigrations and Customs into one larger agency, such as US Department of Homeland Security and Canada’s Border Services Agency, their roles are quite different at the airport.

In short, here are the roles of the Customs and Immigrations … CHECK OUT HIS BLOG TO READ MORE

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Man Sues City of Houston, Continental Airlines and Food Court Over Lost Coat

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Houston Airport's Food Court

Houston Airport's Food Court

Sometimes bad things happens and there is no one to blame. Some how William Ogletree, a lawyer from Texas, didn’t get that memo. Ogletree was flying from Houston to Las Vegas back last December and went to the food court in Terminal C for some food. When leaving, he accidentally left his $800 black leather jacket, which unsurprisingly, someone ended up stealing.

Yea, that sucks, but it is a fact of life. I have lost a few coats in similar fashions (not $800 ones thanks goodness), but I didn’t blame anyone but myself. Ogletree on the other hand is threatening to sue the City of Houston, Continental Airlines and the food court’s management for failing to have “collected the coat, kept it in a secure place and held it for a reasonable time” until he was able to claim the jacket. The bitter passenger claims the defendants, “breached their duty” in connection with how they “manage lost and found items for which they are responsible.”

The letter written to the defendants, obtained by The Smoking Gun, shows Oggletree gave them ten whole days to pay him the $800 or they would also be burdened with, “court costs, attorney’s fees, investigation, expert witnesses and other damages.”

I am sorry you lost your coat Mr. Ogletree, but seriously get over it. It is not the city, the food court or Continental Airlines’s fault (I don’t even get how could come close to blame Continental — for not asking every passenger if they remembered their coats?). There are only two people to blame. Oggletree and whomever stole the jacket.

No official word if Ogletree ever got his money or his jacket.

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Airline Livery of the Week: Croatia Airlines

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Croatia Airlines Airbus A320 (9A-CTF)

Croatia Airlines Airbus A320 (9A-CTF)

Can anyone take a guess where Croatia Airlines might be based? If you guessed Croatia, give yourself a pat on the back. The airline is based at Zagreb Airport and is a part of the Star Alliance.

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VIDEO: Aviation Jobs in 1947

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In the late 1940’s passenger airline transport was booming and there were a lot of new jobs to go with it. This classic video shows some of the jobs and requirements (“stewardesses” had to be single for one) of the time. Most of this film was shot at Chicago’s Midway Airport. Be sure to check out all the

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Swissair Flight 111

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I was talking to someone about the Northwest Flight 188 – the one where both pilots somehow managed to get so distracted that they missed their destination and did not respond for over an hour. I expressed some indignation that the FAA had revoked the licences of both pilots without waiting for the NTSB report. She wondered what difference that might make – which I found somewhat difficult to explain.

The strength of accident investigations is that it is not simply a blame-allocation exercise. 2008 NTSB statistics for scheduled flights show one accident per million flight hours, no fatalities. One of the reasons that aviation is relatively safe is because every accident is treated seriously, rather than dismissed the moment someone is found who could be held accountable.

The focus over the last few decades has been on how to avoid the same scenario or sequence of events in the future, which is critical.

A very good example of how this works is Canada’s Transportation Safety Board of the Swissair Flight 111 in 1998.

BBC News | 8 September 1998 | Flight 111’s black hole

The first that air traffic controllers heard of the problem was 16 minutes before the crash.

The pilot announced: “Swissair 111 is declaring pan pan pan – we have smoke in the cockpit.”

“Pan pan pan” is the expression used when an emergency is less acute than a mayday signal, which indicates imminent disaster. But the situation rapidly deteriorated.

The pilot suggested landing at Boston, but was told Halifax was closer, so he began heading in that direction.

However, the plane was at an altitude of around 10,000 metres and needed to lose height.

Air traffic controllers also gave the pilot permission to dump at least 30 tons of fuel to land safely to help it land safely.

The pilot’s next words on the radio were that he was declaring an emergency.

“We have to land immediately,” the pilot said, the last words the controller heard from the plane.

Radar signals showed that the airliner began flying off course in a rapidly descending loop over the sea.

Six minutes later, it hit the water.

The easy assumption was that the flight crew were remiss in not declaring an emergency immediately, wasting valuable time.

The flight crew realised there was smoke in the cockpit. They presumed it was a problem with the air conditioning. They looked up the nearest airport with appropriate mechanics and asked for a diversion. The captain went through his checklists of how to respond to smoke in the cockpit. Long story short, by the time they declared an emergency, the captain was out of his seat trying to put out a raging fire, the First Officer was desperately trying to regain control of the aircraft with all the displays failed / failing and the plane crashed into the ocean.

Again, it would be easy to blame the Captain and his first officer: why didn’t they immediately declare an emergency? Why didn’t they immediately focus on getting the plane on the ground and *then* work out where the smoke was coming from?

The investigation cost millions and the Transportation Safety Board of Canada final report wasn’t released until five years later but it identified eleven “causes and contributing factors” which basically showed that the plane itself was unsafe – the initial problem (an unsafe in-flight entertainment system) didn’t trip circuit breakers and the insulation of the plane was flammable. The immediate effects of the investigation included removing flammable insulation material from aircraft.

The investigation concluded that, even if the crew had been immediately aware of the extent of the problem, they never had enough time to save the flight. A small electrical fire lit the insulation and the fire was out of control before the plane could have ever made it to the ground, even if the crew had diverted immediately.

Many changes were made, including better electrical systems and also usage of inflammable materials in planes. However, the report also isolated a specific issue with cockpit training, specifically challenging a presumption that pilots should operate from a best-case scenario.

Pilots live by their checklists which are meant to ensure that best procedures are followed both on the ground and in the air. The flight crew are trained to carry out checks and operations in a specific order, which should be both the safest and most efficient response to the situation. The concept of a checklist has been proven effective but there were some questionable assumptions made in some checklists, especially the standard checklists for Unidentified Smoke on Board.

Most instances of smoke in the plane are benign and it is rare to have an in-flight fire. The training was focused on finding the source and eliminating the problem, rather than treating the situation as a potential serious fire threat until you’ve identified the issue. In most instances, the situation is quickly dealt with in the air but it is incredibly dangerous to presume that will be the case.

Since this accident, the discovery of smoke is treated as a potential in-flight fire (that is, an emergency) until the source is found and the problem eliminated.

The knee-jerk response was “there was an electrical fault and the pilots failed to handle the emergency” whereas the drawn-out and expensive investigation effectively proved that there was a lot more to it than that.

As a result, specific changes were recommended (and taken up) which have helped us to avoid this sequence of events in the future. These changes in themselves would not have saved Swissair Flight 111 but their impact on aviation safety for the future is inestimable.

For more information, read the full accident report: Transportation Safety Board of Canada – AVIATION REPORTS – 1998 – A98H0003

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FUN WITH PHOTOS: Test Your Airline Livery Skills with Southwest Airlines Livery Hybrids

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Often an airline will purchase or lease an aircraft from another airline and keep the majority of the previous livery until it is re-painted or the lease is over. The result is a mixture of two airline liveries and are treasures of airline nerds. Southwest Airlines recently took a look back at some of interim liveries of the past. I thought it would be interesting to see who can match the livery with the previous airline the aircraft was with.

Without cheating, how many liveries can you match with the previous airline? It is ok to guess and be wrong (I guess one wrong myself — oops)

PLANE #1: This Boeing 737-2T4 photo was taken in 1991

PLANE #1: This Boeing 737-200 photo was taken in 1991

PLANE #2 This Boeing 737-2T4 was first leased in 1983, then purchased by Southwest in 1984

PLANE #2: This Boeing 737-200 was first leased in 1983, then purchased by Southwest in 1984

This Boeing 737-200 was leased by Southwest for about a year in 1987-88

PLANE #3 This Boeing 737-200 was leased by Southwest for about a year in 1987-88

Plane #4: This Boeing 737-200 is unique not having the white "Southwest" on the tail due to the tail being white

Plane #4: This Boeing 737-200 is unique not having the white "Southwest" on the tail due to the tail being white

Plane #5: This Boeing 737-300 is pretty tricky

Plane #5: This Boeing 737-300 is pretty tricky (and the one I missed)

I will give you the weekend to guess in the comments and on Monday I will reveal the answers. Prizes? I will give you a shout out and you will have the satisfaction of being a true airline livery nerd!

Images from Southwest Airlines

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Aviation & Alaska Airlines in the Small Town of Bethel, Alaska

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Alaska customer service agents Heidi Tokar (left) and Julie Bilbey (right), of Bethel, are dressed in a typical winter-weather gear for this remote area of Alaska.

Alaska customer service agents Heidi Tokar (left) and Julie Bilbey (right), of Bethel, are dressed in a typical winter-weather gear for this remote area of Alaska.

Meet Bethel, Alaska. The town is located about 340 miles west of Anchorage and about 40 miles inland from the Bering Sea. There are only ten miles of paved roads and none connect to any highway. Roads made of ice and snow mobile trails are what connect to over 50 Native Alaskan villages in the region.

With the lack of solid ground transportation, aviation is  very important to the town of less than 6,000 people. Even though the population is small, it is a major hub for air travel in the state. “It may be little, but it’s mighty,” says Christine Klein, Deputy Commissioner of Aviation for the state of Alaska. Aviation is a much larger part of the economy in Alaska than other states, accounting for one in every 10 jobs in the state and $3.5 billion in revenue.

Bethel Airport (BET) is the third busiest airport in the state, behind Fairbanks and Anchorage. The airport has two runways: One is paved and 6400 feet in length (for comparison, Seattle-Tacoma International Airport’s largest runway is almost 12,000 feet long) and one that is gravel and only 1,860 feet long.

Signage at Bethel Airport

Signage at Bethel Airport

From June 2006 to June 2007, the airport had 122,000 aircraft operations, which is an average of 334 per day. During that time, there were 232 airplanes based at the airport: 90% single engine, 7% multi-engine, 2% helicopters and 1% military.  Now, that is a lot of aviation for a town so far out in the middle of nowhere.

Alaska Airlines, who have 27 employees at the airport, proudly has a strong relationship with Bethel and the surrounding area. They fly round-trip flights between Bethel and Anchorage three times per day using their Boeing 737-400’s and Combis. Alaska Airlines provides important connections for passengers and cargo for Bethel residents and the rest of the world.

Alaska Airlines does much more than just fly in and out of the airport. The airline also supports local aviation and promotes careers in aviation. Recently the airline donated $15,000 to the Yuut Yaqungviat Flight School, which will will help local residents, the majority of whom are Native Alaskans, obtain their pilot, airframe and power plant mechanic licenses.

Founded in 2000, the flight school has a high placement rate for students who complete the two-year private pilot certificate program. Of 25 students who finished the program, 16 are actively working as pilots for Yute Air, Grant Aviation, Frontier Alaska, Hageland Aviation and other airlines. “Historically, a revolving door of professionals leave the Bethel area. This outmigration is a loss of potential revenue for the region,” says John Amik, co-director of the school. He continued, “Yuut Yaqungviat has helped young adults capture a sense of purpose, hope and self-respect.”

Alaska is hoping this assistance will not only help Native Alaskans find careers in aviation, but also help them get jobs with Alaska Airlines. “We would very much like to see more Native Alaskan pilots working their way into our cockpits,” said Bill MacKay, Alaska Airlines’ senior vice president.

If you live in an area where Alaska Airlines doesn’t fly: It is based out of Seattle, WA, flies over 115 Boeing 737’s to about 90 destinations in the US and Mexico, and of course has quite a few flights to Alaska. If you are interested in connecting with Alaska Airlines, be sure to follow their Twitter, Facebook or YouTube channel.

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Aviation & Alaska Airlines in the Small Town of Bethel, Alaska

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Alaska customer service agents Heidi Tokar (left) and Julie Bilbey (right), of Bethel, are dressed in a typical winter-weather gear for this remote area of Alaska.

Alaska customer service agents Heidi Tokar (left) and Julie Bilbey (right), of Bethel, are dressed in a typical winter-weather gear for this remote area of Alaska.

Meet Bethel, Alaska. The town is located about 340 miles west of Anchorage and about 40 miles inland from the Bering Sea. There are only ten miles of paved roads and none connect to any highway. Roads made of ice and snow mobile trails are what connect to over 50 Native Alaskan villages in the region.

With the lack of solid ground transportation, aviation is  very important to the town of less than 6,000 people. Even though the population is small, it is a major hub for air travel in the state. “It may be little, but it’s mighty,” says Christine Klein, Deputy Commissioner of Aviation for the state of Alaska. Aviation is a much larger part of the economy in Alaska than other states, accounting for one in every 10 jobs in the state and $3.5 billion in revenue.

Bethel Airport (BET) is the third busiest airport in the state, behind Fairbanks and Anchorage. The airport has two runways: One is paved and 6400 feet in length (for comparison, Seattle-Tacoma International Airport’s largest runway is almost 12,000 feet long) and one that is gravel and only 1,860 feet long.

Signage at Bethel Airport

Signage at Bethel Airport

From June 2006 to June 2007, the airport had 122,000 aircraft operations, which is an average of 334 per day. During that time, there were 232 airplanes based at the airport: 90% single engine, 7% multi-engine, 2% helicopters and 1% military.  Now, that is a lot of aviation for a town so far out in the middle of nowhere.

Alaska Airlines, who have 27 employees at the airport, proudly has a strong relationship with Bethel and the surrounding area. They fly round-trip flights between Bethel and Anchorage three times per day using their Boeing 737-400’s and Combis. Alaska Airlines provides important connections for passengers and cargo for Bethel residents and the rest of the world.

Alaska Airlines does much more than just fly in and out of the airport. The airline also supports local aviation and promotes careers in aviation. Recently the airline donated $15,000 to the Yuut Yaqungviat Flight School, which will will help local residents, the majority of whom are Native Alaskans, obtain their pilot, airframe and power plant mechanic licenses.

Founded in 2000, the flight school has a high placement rate for students who complete the two-year private pilot certificate program. Of 25 students who finished the program, 16 are actively working as pilots for Yute Air, Grant Aviation, Frontier Alaska, Hageland Aviation and other airlines. “Historically, a revolving door of professionals leave the Bethel area. This outmigration is a loss of potential revenue for the region,” says John Amik, co-director of the school. He continued, “Yuut Yaqungviat has helped young adults capture a sense of purpose, hope and self-respect.”

Alaska is hoping this assistance will not only help Native Alaskans find careers in aviation, but also help them get jobs with Alaska Airlines. “We would very much like to see more Native Alaskan pilots working their way into our cockpits,” said Bill MacKay, Alaska Airlines’ senior vice president.

If you live in an area where Alaska Airlines doesn’t fly: It is based out of Seattle, WA, flies over 115 Boeing 737’s to about 90 destinations in the US and Mexico, and of course has quite a few flights to Alaska. If you are interested in connecting with Alaska Airlines, be sure to follow their Twitter, Facebook or YouTube channel.

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Air Traffic Controller Lets his Kid Talk to Pilots

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John F. Kennedy International Airport's control tower with a few jetBlue Airbus A320's in front

John F. Kennedy International Airport's control tower with a few jetBlue Airbus A320's in front

Ah, “Bring Your Kid To Work Day,” is a classic. It is nice  that your children are able to see what mommy and daddy do all day and your co-workers get to meet your little ball of joy you talk about so much.

However there are some jobs that it might be best for your child to skip visiting. On the surface it might seem harmless to bring your child to work if you are an air traffic controller. Maybe during your time off you can show him the view, let him see those big radar screens and listen to some of your co-workers in action.

Well, one traffic controller at JFK wanted his kid to get the full experience and let him talk to pilots. On a recording found on Gadling, it is quite clear the child is talking directly to the pilots, being assisted by his parent. The pilots don’t seem too put off by this, but the FAA sure isn’t assumed.

An FAA spokesperson stated, “Pending the outcome of our investigation, the employees involved in this incident are not controlling air traffic. This behavior is not acceptable and does not demonstrate the kind of professionalism expected from all FAA employees.”

Sure, this might have been a little more “fun” at a smaller airport directing Cessna 172’s, not at JFK, directing large Boeing 747’s. I know I would feel a bit more comfortable knowing there aren’t children directing my next flight out of JFK.

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Get Boozed Up at Las Vegas Airport — They’re Looking At Opening a Liquor Store in Baggage Claim

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Welcome to Las Vegas! Liquor Store Ahead!

Welcome to Las Vegas! Liquor Store Ahead!

Ah Las Vegas. Gambling, fancy hotels, bunch of college students and of course alcohol (ok the list could go on and on, but we will stop with that). Remember in the olden days how you had to wait to get to downtown before getting sloshed? That time between your buzz wearing off from your $6 beer from the plane and having to take a cab all the way downtown? How many times have you been waiting for your bag and thought, “dang, I sure could use a Jaeger shot right about now.” I know…LAME! Well have no worry — the Vegas airport is here to help.

The McCarran International Airport is proposing to open a liquor store in baggage claim. That’s right! This would be the first airport to have a true liquor store. Sure you have those duty free stores and bars, but this you can buy full bottles and take them with you (or finish them before leaving the airport).

Steven Sisolak, a Clark County Commissioner stated, “Oh, I know it will be a gold mine for some liquor store, but does this mean we’ll do anything for money?”

Seriously? Does this guy know Vegas? It is based on making money! He continues, “What’s next? Airport strip clubs? Topless bars? Is that appropriate for county property? I mean, that’s ‘out-of-the-box’ thinking, too.” Maybe, but really alcohol is already served on planes and in bars, is a liquor store really that much of a jump?

Sisolak also states he is worried about travelers drinking the alcohol in public and having public drunkenness. But isn’t that pretty standard in Vegas, people walking around quite buzzed with a drink in hand?

The airport is hoping this might bring in some extra cash. “We’re strapped for cash just like every other county department, and because of the smoking ban our gaming revenue has gone down and advertising has been a little slow,” said Elaine Sanchez, airport spokeswoman. “We believe, in hard times, this is a good idea.”

What do you think? Is this a good idea?

Source: Las Vegas Sun Image: lonnypaul

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Get Boozed Up at Las Vegas Airport — They’re Looking At Opening a Liquor Store in Baggage Claim

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Welcome to Las Vegas! Liquor Store Ahead!

Welcome to Las Vegas! Liquor Store Ahead!

Ah Las Vegas. Gambling, fancy hotels, bunch of college students and of course alcohol (ok the list could go on and on, but we will stop with that). Remember in the olden days how you had to wait to get to downtown before getting sloshed? That time between your buzz wearing off from your $6 beer from the plane and having to take a cab all the way downtown? How many times have you been waiting for your bag and thought, “dang, I sure could use a Jaeger shot right about now.” I know…LAME! Well have no worry — the Vegas airport is here to help.

The McCarran International Airport is proposing to open a liquor store in baggage claim. That’s right! This would be the first airport to have a true liquor store. Sure you have those duty free stores and bars, but this you can buy full bottles and take them with you (or finish them before leaving the airport).

Steven Sisolak, a Clark County Commissioner stated, “Oh, I know it will be a gold mine for some liquor store, but does this mean we’ll do anything for money?”

Seriously? Does this guy know Vegas? It is based on making money! He continues, “What’s next? Airport strip clubs? Topless bars? Is that appropriate for county property? I mean, that’s ‘out-of-the-box’ thinking, too.” Maybe, but really alcohol is already served on planes and in bars, is a liquor store really that much of a jump?

Sisolak also states he is worried about travelers drinking the alcohol in public and having public drunkenness. But isn’t that pretty standard in Vegas, people walking around quite buzzed with a drink in hand?

The airport is hoping this might bring in some extra cash. “We’re strapped for cash just like every other county department, and because of the smoking ban our gaming revenue has gone down and advertising has been a little slow,” said Elaine Sanchez, airport spokeswoman. “We believe, in hard times, this is a good idea.”

What do you think? Is this a good idea?

Source: Las Vegas Sun Image: lonnypaul

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Brawling Flight Attendants Cancel Flight

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"Deltalina" who stars in Delta's safety videos says "no fighting on the plane"

"Deltalina" who stars in Delta's safety videos says "no fighting on the plane"

Stories of passengers getting all riled up on a flight are not too rare. However, having two flight attendants getting into a fight and cancelling a flight isn’t too rare.

Two flight attendents, with some obvious issues, were aboard Delta Connection (run by Pinnacle Airlines) flight 887 from Rochester, NY to Atlanta and decided to get into a fight.

We are talking about using mere words, one of the passengers, Steve Mazur witnessed that the two flight attendants, “got into a fistfight on the plane.” The Captain wanted nothing of this, but instead of just kicking off the flight attendants, everyone on the plane were told they needed to get off.

A spokesperson for Pinnacle Airlines states there was no physical contact made between the flight attendants, but only a “verbal disagreement.” Either way, the flight attendants will not be working until this is all sorted out.

Delta worked with the kicked off passengers to arrange other flights to their final destination.

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